The inability of a child to thrive in a Constitutionally protected God based perpetual threat and rape culture is not a fault of the child; however it does become their odious responsibility upon reaching adulthood.
Wednesday, 17 March 2021 8:53:06 AM
In an open and public area a conversation was sought, I read most of the article and confirmed that for me it was just another variation on old regular themes that had that obligatory family reunion etc. At the end of that pitch is complete subjugation - fear, power, threat, abuse and every escape redefended with the same old familiar weapons of bribery and blackmail. Come home we love you, we know you are special.
https://awakemilwaukee.org/2021/02/23/courageous-conversation-understanding-trauma-to-build-traumasensitive-parishes/ Courageous Conversation: Understanding Trauma to Build Trauma–Sensitive Parishes
There was some improving and evolving conversation more aligned with the lived reality of millions globally follow along
In a manner an attempt to directly support the needs of a victim become instant hot potatoes - a Ken the shunned and molested left handed Catholic kid marked for life by the abuse he received from violent freaky insane Catholic nuns beating and abusing us children as Ken was known to say.
Can you imagine me trying to explain Ken to your psychiatrist or psychologist and they would think we are off with the fairies and because we used sounds that sound like rapists and Catholic in the one sentence some people even thought the evidence is there still resent that and still threaten and block and stymie the progress of childhood rape victims. To Ken's way of thinking they were wrong and they knew it and all they were doing was covering up for their gods and religion whenever it failed, because as Ken knew the Catholic Church had missed understanding how the world works and even he would glare mockingly at times like that when staring down some robed molester or at one who got off on watching from the side line. Ken was a talker, he talked with guys across the world and chuckled a few times when asked about how widely known he was. He was a creative artist - see the first picture all done with Ken's Catholic declared evil monster filled, satan hailing and dancing with nuns and priests in public squares was a nightmare for children and one day will be told of a nursery rhymes for children forever after as we land on each new world and planet on into the future. With that he just shrugged his shoulders just the once and say how sorry he was for the jesuits and the pope and all the res in their Pravda shoes and jewellery while kids in Africa starve and they wont give Ken the names of the nuns who abused him because they do change their names once they have been caught out abusing children. Ken knew all of that and more to with it It's easy to see who is the corrupt one he would say.
Ken knew the secret of Satan and why God has never been able to defeat evil and as an aside Ken's was always carefully to walk inside the Catholic line as peace advocate. Many are to stories of Ken being embraced in front of the altar arms around everyone welcoming him home brother. If there was any Ken wanted all he had to do was ask, so naturally Ken asked for $20 from each so he could take that and feed some poor he saw outside the church begging for food as he came in. Ken said he was ashamed to have to dry his own tears in public in front of the altar and said he felt he should increase his personal mental suffering by doing another rip around the 14 steps of how to sacrifice a human in a public ceremony and begged that you would understand that it is insane and it is torture under the Geneva convention and other child protection laws. He would ask if the pope knew but as he said by then most of them gone and left him abandoned there on the floor weeping for his lost childhood.
Can you imagine me trying to explain Ken let alone explain Joey to a psychiactrist or psychologist and they would think we are all off with the fairies and because we used sounds that sound like rapists and Catholic and Maffia in the one sentence Joey and Ken would have got on like a house on fire. I can't think of a barrier that those two guys couldn't fix or move if needed - alone or together. You see Joey sometimes this old bugger is in there on task and winning and got a %#$# load thats more than his share and more to come down the pike on that line. Can't say more for now but primitive movements in unscheduled locations have been observed and noted and I await those bones so I can cast them across the ground casting a light upon them so we can observe them from every perspective possible.
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Alex Cionca shared a link. This conversation could be helpful. Courageous Conversation: Understanding Trauma to Build Trauma–Sensitive Parishes awakemilwaukee.org Courageous Conversation: Understanding Trauma to Build Trauma–Sensitive Parishes Every parish has members who have experienced sexual abuse or other types of trauma, making it essential to create communities that feel welcoming and safe to victims and survivors, said Stephen Re… Comments Marcos de la Cruz Best to just leave the parish. Staying in a parish of a Church which has abused you is like a battered spouse staying with their violent partner and insisting they love them really. Escape! There are much safer social support networks. Alex Cionca Marcos de la Cruz That's a very very sensible decision in my opinion. especially when the parish does not support survivors or the cause. Marcos de la Cruz Alex Cionca - I was in a situation of extreme bullying in a church recently. Not sexual bullying (although that did go on and my attempts to report it made things worse) but belittling, spreading rumours, making false claims that I had various mental illnesses, gaslighting etc. It was like being in an abusive relationship. As soon as I left my mental health improved. My physical health improved. I feel ten years younger. Well no... not “as soon as”. It took about 6 months until I felt free again. Ade O'Maolain Marcos de la Cruz Maybe the parishioners have to work out how to keep the parish and get rid of the church? Write a public reply… Christopher Longhurst I think that it is very important that for those who remain in parishes, that those parishes are experienced as authentic places of support especially for victims and survivors of clerical and religious child sexual abuse. Sadly, this is not usually the case. I recall Francesco Zanardi 's brilliant response to his own question: “Why are victims of clergy always less tolerated by the Church?” (“Perché le vittime del clero sono sempre meno tollerate dalla chiesa?”) in translation here: https://www.facebook.com/notes/snap-aotearoanew-zealand/victims-of-clergy-sexual-abuse-less-tolerated-by-the-church-today/1208630619307697/ John Brown Totally and absolutely horrifically wrong in this "that parishes are authentic places of support for all afflicted people, especially victims and survivors of clerical and religious child sexual abuse. " in reality this suggestion maintains a life threatening abusive relationship . To expect someone to seek support from within a system that has no ability to provide, assist, support or comfort them other than via vile myth based doctrines, sadistic traditions, absurd beliefs, failed traditions and tribalistic dis-empowerment is not just extremely dangerous and quite bizarre it becomes dangerous psychologically for the victim as survival and recovery is predicated on the survivor finding a safe place for the growth and development of them as a person - a religion thrives only because it can and does repress those aspects of every individual within its grasp. Reintroducing them to the same dependence that allowed them to be abused is not a valid form of recovery. Returning a victim back to their abuser is another more toxic, more sophisticated form of abuse as it supports the abuse and denies the abused and compromises them, it stalls their recovery and removes their opportunity to find safety. A rethink on this urgently needed as the proffered method does, will and can only create greater entirely unnecessary suffering. Christopher Longhurst John Brown I agree. I’ve modified my comment to reflect better what I meant which was for those people who remain in parishes, to experience them as authentic places of support for V&S is vital. A victim or survivor remaining in an unsupportive parish would be absolutely revictimizing and further traumatizing, a place of high risk, and to be avoided. But for those who remain.... Indeed, the parish cannot be a place for healing, or to "return to". That's not what I meant. But for those in parishes, to be educated on this issue and seen to be truly supportive in practice, deed, effect. etc., is, vital. So I think for those who remain, then, this conversation is vital. Hope this helps clarify what I meant. Thanks, John John Brown Thanks for seeing that - the first rule is to cause no further harm. The circumstance is based on the evidence from now dozens of inquiries shows beyond any reasonable doubt that the environment is toxic and dangerous to people who have the misfortune to find themselves engaged in it. The notion that some individuals within one of tho3e communities can provide genuine support for them is untenable. The first step in assisting someone in an abusive relationship is to remove them from the abusive environment and to then provide them with safety and security. This not available from within the abusers environment and does and will cause further harm and possibly further suicides. One or two people within the powered and structured hierarchy of the Catholic religion simply cannot effect sufficient change and in the above scenario they WILL fall prey to being used and abused on the false assumption that the religion or parts of its beliefs can provide safety when that assumed safety demands and requires the victim to put the religion that abused before their own best interests and their own safety. In my view it was this failed notion that was the main contributor in the suicides here in Australia and by extension this produced a whole class of individuals who are hopelessly mired in mythology and toxic beliefs that can only create more and greater human suffering than there already is Alex Cionca John Brown It would be very good to share this information with the NZ Royal Commission, John. Is that possible? https://www.abuseincare.org.nz/contact-us/... Contact us | Abuse in Care - Royal Commission of Inquiry ABUSEINCARE.ORG.NZ Contact us | Abuse in Care - Royal Commission of Inquiry Contact us | Abuse in Care - Royal Commission of Inquiry John Brown Feel free - am willing to speak or communicate with them if they wanted that. Alex Cionca John Brown I think it would be more powerful coming directly from you, especially about the Australian experience of failed parish responses. Just message them in FB - https://www.facebook.com/abuseincareRCNZ John Brown While they identify themselves in the way of the terms of reference as "Defenders of the faith" I am not willing to engage directly with them. As I said feel free to provide it to them Christopher Longhurst John Brown They do want it, John. They have asked for this kind of information. The power is in our hands to communicate it. John Brown I had the same offer here until they fucked up May be an image of text that says "2018/223 Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions Order 2018 Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of New Zealand and her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith:" Roseanne Sheridan John Brown No one should ever defend abuse, John. Educating people to support those who choose to stay within churches is important. You are not being asked to seek help from the Church and don't have to in it being like a re traumatisation for you. So very sad this happened to you, John. ? I phoned the Royal Commission and found them very supportive. Your story stays being your own. It just gives voice to what happened to you and means it can make a difference to others, can change structures and systems in protecting the vulnerable and helping victims. Write a public reply… John Brown Returning a victim to an abusive environment in such circumstances becomes an exercise in systemic abuse whereby the victim is re-abused while parishioners are trying to learn why they allowed the abuses to occur or why they were invisible to them. One of the most improper, inappropriate and unsound notions I have ever come across - bound to cause greater harm. Ade O'Maolain One thing I really think has to be recognised, after we wipe the vomit off our cheeks - The parish is the people. The church has created it’s hierarchy and power base and named parishes, but the parishioners are the people separate from the church. Bei… See more Roseanne Sheridan You make some great points Ade. In my own healing experience, my whole concept of God was affected by abuse. This is especially so if the abusers are meant to be representatives of God in some way. What helped me to heal was gradually being able to let… See more Write a public comment… About SNAP (Survivors Network of those Abused By Priests) is an independent peer-support network of survivors of institutional sexual abuse and their … See more Public Anyone can see who's in the group and what they post. Visible Anyone can find this group. Wellington, New Zealand General group::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
John BrownTotally and absolutely horrifically wrong in this "that parishes are authentic places of support for all afflicted
people, especially victims and survivors of clerical and religious child sexual abuse. " in reality this suggestion maintains a life threatening abusive relationship .
To expect someone to seek support from within a system that has no ability to provide, assist, support or comfort them other than via vile myth based doctrines, sadistic traditions, absurd beliefs, failed traditions and tribalistic dis-empowerment is not just extremely dangerous and quite bizarre it becomes dangerous psychologically for the victim as survival and recovery is predicated on the survivor finding a safe place for the growth and development of them as a person - a religion thrives only because it can and does repress those aspects of every individual within its grasp. Reintroducing them to the same dependence that allowed them to be abused is not a valid form of recovery.
Returning a victim back to their abuser is another more toxic, more sophisticated form of abuse as it supports the abuse and denies the abused and compromises them, it stalls their recovery and removes their opportunity to find safety.
A rethink on this urgently needed as the proffered method does, will and can only create greater entirely unnecessary suffering.
Other thoughts I have had today
Ade O'Maolain I come at that from a different perspective and a bit of reasonable reasoning.
What people are saying they need is better community. I say they are wrong and then I say that I should formulate an hypothesis no matter where that takes me. Hyneman.
The thing we humans want the most is to belong, the most desirable is to belong to a loving family.
Then turn yourself into the most despicable human possible, one with duality, broken social structure, collusion and centralizing of power and property. Grafting the final profits from the dead and dying reclaiming them to the Church as its rightful property according to it's own teachings and beliefs.
I have stop there only because it becomes an insane nightmare trying to extract any notion that the child's benefit is in there somewhere. But my old friend Ken knew stuff like that and he could likely say lets look at the science of what we know about fully matured cover ups and how humans prey and parasitise their own kind.
The family structure in Catholicism has been hijacked by a Church of sexual abusing criminals prostituting any child into a bizarre sort of human sacrifice in the ritualized sexual abuse of children in the Catholic and other Churches under the guise of religious freedom.
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